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The suspense is killing me lol
 


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The suspense is killing me lol

I saw two things, they failed early, but not as much as was guessed at, and they also had an initial fail point, when the material went past its yield point, before the catastrophic failure.

One variable that I didn't pay close attention to was that while this was 6061 material, its temper wasn't on the piece, so whether it was T6, T651, or something else altogether is an unknown and a big factor.
 


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I'm guessing that regardless of the unknown variables the conclusion is still that "it's a bad idea"...?
 


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So in the end, I'm not sure what has been proven or disproven, it was a fun little exercise, but really with the particulars of this material not exactly known, and the material that's really in question being different in the first place, it is nearly unusable data...

With that said, here's what I did.

Bolts...
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Holes were tapped at a theoretical 77% with a "H" drill (.2660") in a drill press, fixtured and tapped with a manual tap head, threads were checked with a thread gauge and tested good. With the exception of hole #4, holes were at 2D from edges and each other, hole 4 was at ~1.5D from one edge and this should not have been a significant factor.


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'Should be obvious, but a new bolt was used for each test.


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Typical starting position

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While it's very subtle and very hard to see in the videos (especially with me moving around and jumping, the threads start to give up around ~1400PSI (~6125lbf), beyond this, the threads are effectively trash, despite the ultimate failure at a higher pressure.

Results:
  1. 1625PSI = 1625PSI * 4.375in = 7110lbf
  2. 1625PSI = 1625PSI * 4.375in = 7110lbf
  3. 1700PSI = 1700PSI * 4.375in = 7438lbf
  4. 1600PSI = 1600PSI * 4.375in = 7000lbf
~7165lbf average


Calculated @ 8775lbf Ultimate Tensile strength

Actual Ultimate Tensile Failed @ ~82% (This is easily accounted for in a bad or non-existent material temper.)

Yield @ ~70%



Be sure to turn off YouTube potato resolution

Bolt #1

Bolt #2

Bolt #3

Bolt #4


That is all, you may now return to reality.... :unsure:
 


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Oh, and the material was .406" thick (10mm nominal)
 


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BTW, the original estimate was based on 10mm, versus 10.3mm thick material, but I'm too lazy to redo all of the math... Doesn't change anything about the test or the "Don't do it"...

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I saw two things, they failed early, but not as much as was guessed at, and they also had an initial fail point, when the material went past its yield point, before the catastrophic failure.

One variable that I didn't pay close attention to was that while this was 6061 material, its temper wasn't on the piece, so whether it was T6, T651, or something else altogether is an unknown and a big factor.
Check my post....whadid I tell ya...pre mature failure...want me to forward my mathematical equations that led to my prognostication...:unsure::unsure:;)
 


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Check my post....whadid I tell ya...pre mature failure...want me to forward my mathematical equations that led to my prognostication...:unsure::unsure:;)

Yes, please post, along with correct dimensional analysis.
 


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Yes, please post, along with correct dimensional analysis.
Easy there wise guy..:giggle::giggle::giggle:;);)
 


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Absolutely amazing @BULL ! Great analysis.

So what I’m gathering is not only can I lift up the engine by the supercharger, but I can lift the entire car by the supercharger
 


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Absolutely amazing @BULL ! Great analysis.

So what I’m gathering is not only can I lift up the engine by the supercharger, but I can lift the entire car by the supercharger

Yup

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Absolutely amazing @BULL ! Great analysis.

So what I’m gathering is not only can I lift up the engine by the supercharger, but I can lift the entire car by the supercharger
Good Idea...go ahead give it a whirl..:rolleyes:
 


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Nice research 👏
 


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Absolutely amazing @BULL ! Great analysis.

So what I’m gathering is not only can I lift up the engine by the supercharger, but I can lift the entire car by the supercharger
Forget to remove a ground, and you just might.
 




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