Stellantis strike

[Weather Man]

And yet Big Oil STILL gets subsidies...100 years later? Someone needs to explain this to me...

They get the same write offs every other industry gets. But you also answered your own question. Why would the Feds make sure and incentivize the production and stable supply of a vital commodity that is used to make virtually everything? Pretty obvious, huh.

 

[Weather Man]

Bean counters recounted. Contract negotiations must be going a lot worse than forecast. Look for a new battery plant in Mexico announcement in a year.

Ford Motor is pausing construction of a $3.5 billion battery plant in Marshall, Mich., where it had planned to produce lower-cost cells using technology from a Chinese battery maker.

The U.S. automaker said Monday it was halting work and limiting spending on the factory until it is confident in its ability to operate it competitively. The stoppage is effective immediately, and the company hasn’t made any final decisions about its planned investment.

 

[vortecd]

I ve averaged 55 to 60 hours a week for the past 40 years
20 hours OT = 30 hours pay
$40 X 70 Hrs x 50 weeks = 140K a year
40 years ago it was $5 an hour & living on my own that young was tough
I put a shit load of time in at work for what I have today

There is a lot of money in these contracts aside from just wages
lifetime pension
benefits
cola
bonus
profit sharing
retirement buyout
free legal services
free addition services
Etc etc etc

All of which the average worker will never see

I mentioned before
Get what you can get when you can get it
We all would

PS

FJT

So about 30k american

 

[1971demon]

Not alot of money. Especially after taxes.

Your right that wouldn't cover my vehicle insurance and property taxes

 

[1971demon]

Your right that wouldn't cover my vehicle insurance and property taxes

Your right that wouldn't cover my vehicle insurance and property taxes

Funny thing...when I first got married in 1974 I was making 125.00 a week...took home 95.70...my wife brought home 65.00 a week...and there always seemed to be enough to go around...

 

[vortecd]

I couldn't live on it...

If that was all the household income then yes. Its more then I make but for the 2 of us we make more

 

[1971demon]

Yes sir

My guess...that just about covers yer beer tab...

 

[Bobo]

Most employees don't take into consideration the addition of the benefits to their hourly wage. All those added benefits probably add 30 - 40% or more to the burden rate and those costs get passed onto the consumer. Seems like everything the union squeezes from the automobile industry only exacerbates their own demise. Like most industries that can't stay competitive. They will close their doors someday and move elsewhere, or declare bankruptcy and leave all that did the squeezing out in the cold.

Honestly! Where did the union hurt you? So much hatred? I understand not agreeing with what the union is doing but poo pooing every union members for trying to make a better living just because, is plain old hatred.
It’s been explained multiple times in this thread that every union member isn’t making what you keep hearing in the news and what the companies are saying publicly!! Not everyone makes “$300,000” a year as some have said in interviews.
Most WITH required mandatory overtime are make in the 60-80k range if they’re lucky!!!!

 

[Weather Man]

Honestly! Where did the union hurt you? So much hatred? I understand not agreeing with what the union is doing but poo pooing every union members for trying to make a better living just because, is plain old hatred.
It’s been explained multiple times in this thread that every union member isn’t making what you keep hearing in the news and what the companies are saying publicly!! Not everyone makes “$300,000” a year as some have said in interviews.
Most WITH required mandatory overtime are make in the 60-80k range if they’re lucky!!!!

There is no hatred, just the sick in the pit of stomach feel from having watched this rodeo before and absolutely knowing it doesn't end well. Well, global trade is breaking down, so maybe we follow the EU and tariff the crap out of all foreign car imports and add a domestic surcharge on all non-union automakers to keep the playing field level.

 

[jroyk]

High tariffs were what worked in the 50’s and 60’s when everything was made in this country, taxes were low, and people lived well on one income. Free trade resulted in cheap goods, high taxes, and global corporations with no patriotic loyalties. Probably no going back, now.

 

[Hickster]

Well hell. Who knows what Deamun 72 is talken about. Buttster, duz Murzadeez Benz have dis problem?? Here we bee in 2024 and still in 1934 dealin wit strikes. We, ass an leader of da industrial revolution, did snot and have not learned a damn thing. Negosesations, talkin before a strike? MB, Toyota, VW. A 5 ear old plant of VW in Chattanooga, eye gru up dare in a union town. Dis plant non union. Not a mention of 1 strike,, why? Dis so called, negosea ation sow called. .Aslum, haz been a joke and a slap to da face of us whom know bettah. Think dis is goin 2 fly wit da owners, ha. Cheaper 2 do biz in Maxico ware we are takin dare unsee dee sire ables. Good trade, right. Hickster Nomics Bidens an ass

 

[Bowtie Guy]

Most employees don't take into consideration the addition of the benefits to their hourly wage. All those added benefits probably add 30 - 40% or more to the burden rate and those costs get passed onto the consumer. Seems like everything the union squeezes from the automobile industry only exacerbates their own demise. Like most industries that can't stay competitive. They will close their doors someday and move elsewhere, or declare bankruptcy and leave all that did the squeezing out in the cold.

This is what happened to all the the Union Tool shops
40 years ago everything was made here
Model cars
Tupperware
Pails
Ice cube trays
Appliance parts
ATV parts
Anything that didn t have tight manufacturing tolerances is long gone to low cost Countries

Sum Ting Wong

 

[Bowtie Guy]

So about 30k american

Right now the rate is 1.33 to 1

In Jamaica I m rich

 

[Bowtie Guy]

Your right that wouldn't cover my vehicle insurance and property taxes

You make way to much "DOUGH"

 

[jroyk]

You make way to much "DOUGH"

We can’t all be donut tycoons.

 

[DavidKFla]

We can’t all be donut tycoons.

What about dental floss tycoons?

 

[Hickster]

In my ass tamate sheez I had 2 each employee involved a # dat sayz, payroll, tax asses, and insurances. Each an benefit dat waz ass sorbed by da cum pany. Get dat 71? Most culd bee catgorized, but sum older unzs, had 2 bee situated. Cancer, heart problemz, ect. 1st 2 go, but da unionz keep em all in da same pot. Good. But all da memburz had 2 pay da same amount, guud 2 a curtain. Last union I waz in. All da older members retired while dare waz enugh $$s 2 pay medical billz. I had no family in da union but got paid da same. But got 2 pay all da retireez bills. $10 a day plus additional addz ons. Sea da problemz. Maxico don't care. Dizposable wurkers. Gots 2 bee a happy meedum. Dis last agreement, snot agreeable. Don't care what da ass holez in Canada sayz. The inturd national haz da rite 2 say. Canada, F---ck em selvez. Take our jobs, our taxes, break our bridgezs. Most I like dat live in Fl 6 munts but da rest. Nope. Go HOME.

 

[hellno]

I SEE 40,000 WORKERS NEEDING ANEW JOB SOON

 

[Weather Man]

High tariffs were what worked in the 50’s and 60’s when everything was made in this country, taxes were low, and people lived well on one income. Free trade resulted in cheap goods, high taxes, and global corporations with no patriotic loyalties. Probably no going back, now.

Not true. In the 50's and 60's, women weren't a major factor in the labor pool because they were at home with the kids. The pill, Paradym change extraordinary, changed all of that and effectively double the labor force, greatly affecting wages, supply/demand. Middle class taxes are actually lower today.

 

[jroyk]

Not true. In the 50's and 60's, women weren't a major factor in the labor pool because they were at home with the kids. The pill, Paradym change extraordinary, changed all of that and effectively double the labor force, greatly affecting wages, supply/demand. Middle class taxes are actually lower today.

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5.3% income tax? Sounds like state income tax. Middle class families pay way more than that to the Feds. We pay close to 50% when all taxes are combined.